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Front Subframe Measurements - Car Craft’s ’71 Dodge Demon

How to measure for a new front subframe

By , Photography by , Grant Peterson,
Front Subframe Measurements
Front Subframe Measurements

Here is the plan. We want to run 9s in the quarter-mile, look really cool, and drive this car on the street as much as possible. The last two are simple enough, but the first one is going to take some finesse if we want to keep this thing fast for beer money. Using the calculation for quarter-mile times, RWHP = (MPH/234)3 x weight, our 2,600-pound Demon’s engine needs to make about 750 flywheel horsepower to go 145 mph in the quarter-mile. Or we can lighten the car.

When we introduced this Demon in the Mar. ’11 issue, we mentioned that it was a back-halved car with a ’cage and some good chassis work that seemed to have stopped at the firewall. Everything forward of that was stock. We had peeked under the car and discovered a Chris Alston Chassisworks four-link frame package with Battle Cruiser suspension that had already been installed. So naturally, we called Mr. Big himself to see what we were up against.

Front Subframe Measurements
To keep an accurate record of the car’s weight loss, we put the Demon on the scales and removed the hood and trunk lid, replacing them with fiberglass parts from Glasstek. The base weight was 2,615 pounds with about a 60/40 split to the front of the car. The fiberglass parts reduced the weight an additional 60 pounds for a total of 2,555.
Front Subframe Measurements
To keep an accurate record of the car’s weight loss, we put the Demon on the scales and re

“There are thousands of these (back-halved) cars out there, so we make a front frame kit that gets rid of the stock front suspension,” Alston says. In addition to deleting the torsion bars and the related issues, Alston claims his A-arm frame kit will remove up to 300 pounds from the front end of the car, connect to the rear subframe, and make things work the way they were intended. To further the weight loss, we are also going to add some fiberglass parts from Glasstek and other lightweight goodies. Using totally hypothetical numbers, if we can drop 400 pounds off the car, we can reduce the required engine output to about 630 hp. That is a number we can achieve from a junkyard 5.7L Hemi with a shot of nitrous or a blower and still run it on pump gas.

We can already imagine rolling through the drive-thru on wrinkle walls and blasting through the quarter-mile, but first we need to do the math and order the front frame system. Here’s how to do it.

  • Front Subframe Measurements
    The first step to measuring for a new front subframe is to determine where the spindle centerline is and mark it on the floor. This mark will be used to determine the distance of the front wheels from the body after the stock frame is removed.
    Front Subframe Measurements
    The first step to measuring for a new front subframe is to determine where the spindle cen
  • Front Subframe Measurements
    After finding the spindle centerline, we squared the tape line and marked a spot on the door as a reference point. Since we are removing the fenders and the frame from the car, this mark is the only reference we will have for locating the new frame under the car. We measured 25 inches from the centerline to the reference mark.
    Front Subframe Measurements
    After finding the spindle centerline, we squared the tape line and marked a spot on the do
  • Front Subframe Measurements
    Using a tape measure between both lip location marks on the floor, we determined the lip-to-lip measurement was 71 inches.
    Front Subframe Measurements
    Using a tape measure between both lip location marks on the floor, we determined the lip-t
  • Front Subframe Measurements
    Next is the math for the width of the new frame. The frame width determines the track width of the front tires. If the frame is too wide, the tires will rub on the fenders when turning a corner, if the frame is too narrow, the tires will be too far inside the fender. Using a straightedge, we marked the location of the outer fender lip on the floor (arrow) on both sides of the car for a measurement.
    Front Subframe Measurements
    Next is the math for the width of the new frame. The frame width determines the track widt
  • Front Subframe Measurements
    We also measured the distance from the mounting flange on the wheel to the outside of the tire using a straightedge. The front wheels are 15x4.5 Gasser ET 10-spokes from Speedway Motors. They measured 4 inches.
    Front Subframe Measurements
    We also measured the distance from the mounting flange on the wheel to the outside of the
  • Front Subframe Measurements
    We did an informal tape-measure survey of the cars around the shop and found that most tire-to-fender lip clearances were in the 1-to-4-inch range. The race cars were 3 to 4 inches, the lowered street rods and anything with air suspension had 5 inches or more. We decided that 4 inches would look right and not rub in the inner portion of the fender.
    Front Subframe Measurements
    We did an informal tape-measure survey of the cars around the shop and found that most tir
  • Front Subframe Measurements
    Chassisworks supplies the final number in the equation. It is the distance from the outside of the frame to the wheelhub mounting surface on the A-arm suspension. In this case, it is 131⁄4 inches on each side. Taking the original 71-inch lip measurement, we subtracted both suspension widths, both hub measurements, and 8 inches for the wheel to inner fender clearance on each side to get the frame width. Here’s the math: 71 – 26.25 – 8 – 8 = 28.75 inches. After we double-checked everything, we yanked the engine.
    Front Subframe Measurements
    Chassisworks supplies the final number in the equation. It is the distance from the outsid
  • Front Subframe Measurements
    To preserve vintage Mopar parts, we gave the Slant Six to a local enthusiast instead of junking it. You’re welcome.
    Front Subframe Measurements
    To preserve vintage Mopar parts, we gave the Slant Six to a local enthusiast instead of ju
  • Front Subframe Measurements
    The last measurement is for ground clearance at the bottom of the frame at the front of the rocker panel. Again, we did an informal tape-measure survey and found that most street machines sit 6 inches or more off the ground at the frame where it bends (arrow) up toward the firewall. We needed a frame width of 29 inches and 6 inches of ground clearance.
    Front Subframe Measurements
    The last measurement is for ground clearance at the bottom of the frame at the front of th
  • Front Subframe Measurements
    With the frame on the way, we thrashed all the sheetmetal off the front end and prepared the fire wrench.
    Front Subframe Measurements
    With the frame on the way, we thrashed all the sheetmetal off the front end and prepared t
  • Front Subframe Measurements
    New Car Craft fabricator Grant Petersen knocked a couple of holes in the sheetmetal so we could get at the inner fenders with the Sawzall.
    Front Subframe Measurements
    New Car Craft fabricator Grant Petersen knocked a couple of holes in the sheetmetal so we
  • Front Subframe Measurements
    We would have cut the front off cleanly to preserve the inner fender sheetmetal for a rust-belt parts hoarder, but someone had already cut it up to position the down tubes. We don’t recommend this on your ’70 ’Cuda.
    Front Subframe Measurements
    We would have cut the front off cleanly to preserve the inner fender sheetmetal for a rust
  • Front Subframe Measurements
    With the front end cut away, the big-bolt pattern brake swap parts will be going to the local swap meet. It’s gone by the time you read this.
    Front Subframe Measurements
    With the front end cut away, the big-bolt pattern brake swap parts will be going to the lo
  • Front Subframe Measurements
    The final cleanup meant sawing off the ends of the down tubes so we can weld them to the new front subframe when it gets here.
    Front Subframe Measurements
    The final cleanup meant sawing off the ends of the down tubes so we can weld them to the n
  • Front Subframe Measurements
    We also used the plasma cutter to skim off all the protruding metal, plus we wanted to run this cool photo in the magazine.
    Front Subframe Measurements
    We also used the plasma cutter to skim off all the protruding metal, plus we wanted to run

Street or Strip?
There are many choices to make when you open a Chassisworks catalog, so what to pick? If you are going to drive the car on the street 90 percent of the time and drag race 10 percent of the time, order the 2x3 boxed frame with 0.120 wall thickness. It automatically comes with the stronger Mustang II rack-and-pinion steering and forged spindle. If you are like us and plan to trailer the car for race days, then cruise to the drive-in once a month, get the 2x3 with the 0.083 wall thickness and the lighter Pinto rack-and-pinion and fabricated spindles. In our case, we also chose the 2x3 over the 15⁄8-inch round tube front frame because the 2x3 is easier for the home builder to work with, and the Demon already has a 2x3 frame in the rear of the car. Since the front of the frame is only going to sit 6 inches off the ground, we also avoided the drop spindles. Finally, if you are not comfortable with suspension geometry to the point where you can accurately weld your own fixtures, buy the prewelded kit instead.

SOURCES
Summit Racing Equipment
PO Box 909
Akron
OH  44398
800-230-3030
330-630-0240
www.summitracing.com
Chris Alston's Chassisworks
8661 Younger Creek Drive
Sacramento
CA  95828
916-388-0288
www.cachassisworks.com
Lincoln Electric
22801 St. Clair Ave
Cleveland
OH  44117
216-481-8100
www.lincolnelectric.com
Miller Electric
1635 W. Spencer Street
Appleton
WI  54912
920-734-9821
www.millerwelds.com
Glasstek
Naperville
IL
630-978-9897
www.glasstek.com
eBay Motors
www.ebaymotors.com
Speedway Motors
340 Victory Lane
Lincoln
ME  68528
800-979-0122
www.speedwaymotors.com
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