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Front Subframe Measurements - Car Craft’s ’71 Dodge Demon

How to measure for a new front subframe

By , Photography by , Grant Peterson,
Front Subframe Measurements
Front Subframe Measurements

Here is the plan. We want to run 9s in the quarter-mile, look really cool, and drive this car on the street as much as possible. The last two are simple enough, but the first one is going to take some finesse if we want to keep this thing fast for beer money. Using the calculation for quarter-mile times, RWHP = (MPH/234)3 x weight, our 2,600-pound Demon’s engine needs to make about 750 flywheel horsepower to go 145 mph in the quarter-mile. Or we can lighten the car.

When we introduced this Demon in the Mar. ’11 issue, we mentioned that it was a back-halved car with a ’cage and some good chassis work that seemed to have stopped at the firewall. Everything forward of that was stock. We had peeked under the car and discovered a Chris Alston Chassisworks four-link frame package with Battle Cruiser suspension that had already been installed. So naturally, we called Mr. Big himself to see what we were up against.

Front Subframe Measurements
To keep an accurate record of the car’s weight loss, we put the Demon on the scales and removed the hood and trunk lid, replacing them with fiberglass parts from Glasstek. The base weight was 2,615 pounds with about a 60/40 split to the front of the car. The fiberglass parts reduced the weight an additional 60 pounds for a total of 2,555.
Front Subframe Measurements
To keep an accurate record of the car’s weight loss, we put the Demon on the scales and re

“There are thousands of these (back-halved) cars out there, so we make a front frame kit that gets rid of the stock front suspension,” Alston says. In addition to deleting the torsion bars and the related issues, Alston claims his A-arm frame kit will remove up to 300 pounds from the front end of the car, connect to the rear subframe, and make things work the way they were intended. To further the weight loss, we are also going to add some fiberglass parts from Glasstek and other lightweight goodies. Using totally hypothetical numbers, if we can drop 400 pounds off the car, we can reduce the required engine output to about 630 hp. That is a number we can achieve from a junkyard 5.7L Hemi with a shot of nitrous or a blower and still run it on pump gas.

We can already imagine rolling through the drive-thru on wrinkle walls and blasting through the quarter-mile, but first we need to do the math and order the front frame system. Here’s how to do it.

  • Front Subframe Measurements
    The first step to measuring for a new front subframe is to determine where the spindle centerline is and mark it on the floor. This mark will be used to determine the distance of the front wheels from the body after the stock frame is removed.
    Front Subframe Measurements
    The first step to measuring for a new front subframe is to determine where the spindle cen
  • Front Subframe Measurements
    After finding the spindle centerline, we squared the tape line and marked a spot on the door as a reference point. Since we are removing the fenders and the frame from the car, this mark is the only reference we will have for locating the new frame under the car. We measured 25 inches from the centerline to the reference mark.
    Front Subframe Measurements
    After finding the spindle centerline, we squared the tape line and marked a spot on the do
  • Front Subframe Measurements
    Using a tape measure between both lip location marks on the floor, we determined the lip-to-lip measurement was 71 inches.
    Front Subframe Measurements
    Using a tape measure between both lip location marks on the floor, we determined the lip-t
  • Front Subframe Measurements
    Next is the math for the width of the new frame. The frame width determines the track width of the front tires. If the frame is too wide, the tires will rub on the fenders when turning a corner, if the frame is too narrow, the tires will be too far inside the fender. Using a straightedge, we marked the location of the outer fender lip on the floor (arrow) on both sides of the car for a measurement.
    Front Subframe Measurements
    Next is the math for the width of the new frame. The frame width determines the track widt
  • Front Subframe Measurements
    We also measured the distance from the mounting flange on the wheel to the outside of the tire using a straightedge. The front wheels are 15x4.5 Gasser ET 10-spokes from Speedway Motors. They measured 4 inches.
    Front Subframe Measurements
    We also measured the distance from the mounting flange on the wheel to the outside of the
  • Front Subframe Measurements
    We did an informal tape-measure survey of the cars around the shop and found that most tire-to-fender lip clearances were in the 1-to-4-inch range. The race cars were 3 to 4 inches, the lowered street rods and anything with air suspension had 5 inches or more. We decided that 4 inches would look right and not rub in the inner portion of the fender.
    Front Subframe Measurements
    We did an informal tape-measure survey of the cars around the shop and found that most tir
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