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Project 1964 Oldsmobile F-85 Engine Swap - F-85 Street Fighter

Our Low-Dollar '64 Olds Returns With A New 455, Better Brakes, And Better Steering All As Part Of Our . . .

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Project 1964 Oldsmobile F85 Engine Swap Engine Swap

When we last left our intrepid, 455-powered '64 Olds F-85, we had patched it together with a few budget bolt-ons to get it running, but it quickly began to show its age. The '64 Olds F-85 body was in decent shape (although it's still in dire need of a trunk floor) and the TH400 works great, but its big-block was substantially down on power. It was time to step up our game, so we decided to build a new Olds while retaining the original engine so we could continue driving the car while the new motor came together. You may remember the buildup of the new Olds engine in the Oct. '10 issue ("455 Rocket Olds") in which we made 511 lb-ft and 445 hp at the flywheel with near-stock Edelbrock aluminum heads, 10:1 compression, and a Torker single-plane Edelbrock intake. We never would have survived the buildup without help from Dick Miller and our pals at Don Barrington Engines, who performed all the machine work and supplied assembly guidance. Now it was time to bolt all our newfound power back into the car.

Project 1964 Oldsmobile F85 Engine Swap Engine Swap
Neck-deep in the engine swap, we learned all kinds of new things about our Olds during this month-long thrash.
Project 1964 Oldsmobile F85 Engine Swap Engine Swap
Neck-deep in the engine swap, we learned all kinds of new things about our Olds during thi

Where It All Began
As a quick visual recap, we bought this Olds from our buddy Tim Moore about four years ago already swapped with a 455 and a TH400. It needed some visual TLC but ran fine, so we just started driving it. We won't go through all the details; you can find that in the Dec. '06 issue, when we built the car for CC's $3,500 Challenge. The idea was to build a worthy street car for around $3,500. We came closer to that budget requirement than most federally funded government programs, but like you and unlike the feds, we had to sacrifice a little power and efficiency to get there. During a tuning exercise, we performed a quick cylinder pressure check and discovered that while the best holes were capable of an underachieving 155 psi, No. 2 hobbled in closer to 135 to 140 psi, making it obvious that our engine needed assistance.

  • Project 1964 Oldsmobile F85 Engine Swap Original Condition
    This is how the Olds appeared after the purchase from Car Craft family member Tim Moore.
  • Project 1964 Oldsmobile F85 Engine Swap Original Engine
    Here's the original engine compartment complete with a 750-cfm Holley vacuum-secondary carburetor and a relatively large radiator whose origin is unknown.
    Project 1964 Oldsmobile F85 Engine Swap Original Engine
    Here's the original engine compartment complete with a 750-cfm Holley vacuum-secondary car
  • Project 1964 Oldsmobile F85 Engine Swap Original Interior
    The interior needed work and the new Painless wiring harness took two days-plus to complete, but it made the F-85 reliable. We also commissioned Just Dashes to restore the cracked dashpad, which along with new carpet completely revitalized the interior.
    Project 1964 Oldsmobile F85 Engine Swap Original Interior
    The interior needed work and the new Painless wiring harness took two days-plus to complet
  • Project 1964 Oldsmobile F85 Engine Swap Drag Strip
    During our original testing, the Olds ran corrected 13.94 at 97.35 mph at Los Angeles County Raceway (which is now a hole in the ground). We later ran slightly quicker at Irwindale with better air.
    Project 1964 Oldsmobile F85 Engine Swap Drag Strip
    During our original testing, the Olds ran corrected 13.94 at 97.35 mph at Los Angeles Coun
Project 1964 Oldsmobile F85 Engine Swap Glasstek Fiberglass Hood
Once we started down the path of cleaning the engine compartment, it required hours of hard labor, including cleaning all the rust off the bottom side of the hood. Since then, we have discovered a Glasstek fiberglass hood for a '64 that will also shave some weight.
Project 1964 Oldsmobile F85 Engine Swap Glasstek Fiberglass Hood
Once we started down the path of cleaning the engine compartment, it required hours of har

The Destruction Phase
Had we treated the Olds with a little more care, the engine swap would probably have required less effort. But because we'd allowed the cooling system to decay and spray rusty coolant over most of the engine compartment, we decided a good cleansing and repaint were in order. We dialed in a new aluminum radiator from Mark 7 to replace the original, which, like the heater core, was sporting barnacles. Based on this and with the help of CC family member Kris Shields, we decided the entire engine compartment needed freshening. The new radiator also required removing and modifying the lower radiator core support, so fabrication work was in our future.

We decided to work smart this time and had the core support and two front inner fenders chemically stripped while a large pile of rusty fender bolts went to Van Nuys Plating for black cad immersion so we would be saved the drudgery of weeks of cleaning bolts. We also were immensely lucky when we discovered a '65 Olds four-door Cutlass with A/C in the junkyard. It donated its upper radiator mount that was almost the correct size to match our aluminum radiator. Sometimes dumb luck is just that.

  • Project 1964 Oldsmobile F85 Engine Swap Empty Engine Bay
    Here's what the engine compartment looked like before reinstalling the inner fenders and dropping the engine in place. As with all things, this took much longer than we anticipated.
    Project 1964 Oldsmobile F85 Engine Swap Empty Engine Bay
    Here's what the engine compartment looked like before reinstalling the inner fenders and d
  • Project 1964 Oldsmobile F85 Engine Swap Radiator
    With such a large radiator, we taped cardboard to the engine side to minimize the inevitable fin damage. Note to radiator companies: This is something that should be supplied with every new aluminum radiator.
    Project 1964 Oldsmobile F85 Engine Swap Radiator
    With such a large radiator, we taped cardboard to the engine side to minimize the inevitab
  • Project 1964 Oldsmobile F85 Engine Swap Core Support Floor
    Original Pontiac and Olds core support floors are stepped, which raised our new aluminum radiator dangerously close to the hood. So we cut the stepped portion, flipped it upside down, and welded it back in place, creating a flat floor that we could now add proper-width rubber radiator support cushions to (found in the Ames Performance Engineering catalog).
    Project 1964 Oldsmobile F85 Engine Swap Core Support Floor
    Original Pontiac and Olds core support floors are stepped, which raised our new aluminum r

The Fun Part
Once we chased all the surface rust away and sprayed the entire engine compartment with Rust-Oleum rusty metal primer topped with satin-black paint, it was time to start the construction phase. Much like with our early Chevelle, we also discovered that interlocking safety motor mounts wouldn't clear the stock frame mounts, necessitating the use of our original mounts. We also learned that the headers would fit from underneath if we lifted up one side of the engine about 3 inches using the engine hoist.

  • Project 1964 Oldsmobile F85 Engine Swap Dick Miller Headers
    The new 1 7/8-inch coated headers from Dick Miller were relatively easy to install, but both sides rubbed the firewall, requiring some minor hammer surgery. The driver side also necessitated a simple dimple to clear the steering shaft. What we didn't know was that these headers require a special mini starter motor also available from Dick Miller. Because of short deadlines, we elected to reuse our original, smaller 1 3/4-inch headers.
    Project 1964 Oldsmobile F85 Engine Swap Dick Miller Headers
    The new 1 7/8-inch coated headers from Dick Miller were relatively easy to install, but bo
  • Project 1964 Oldsmobile F85 Engine Swap Bellhousing Flexplate
    All old cars have their idiosyncrasies. We learned that sliding the engine in without the motor mounts allowed just enough room to squeak the flexplate inside the bellhousing. With that done, we could then slip the motor mounts over the frame brackets and bolt up everything.
    Project 1964 Oldsmobile F85 Engine Swap Bellhousing Flexplate
    All old cars have their idiosyncrasies. We learned that sliding the engine in without the
  • Project 1964 Oldsmobile F85 Engine Swap Engine Fan
    We initially installed this engine-driven fan just to get the car running, but we intend to use a pair of Spal 11-inch electric fans once we have more time to handle the details.
    Project 1964 Oldsmobile F85 Engine Swap Engine Fan
    We initially installed this engine-driven fan just to get the car running, but we intend t
  • Project 1964 Oldsmobile F85 Engine Swap Monte Carlo Ss Steering Box
    While the engine swap was in progress, Moore found an '88 Monte SS steering box in the boneyard, so we cleaned it up and bolted it in along with a second-generation Firebird 1 1/4-inch front sway bar and Energy Suspension bushings.
    Project 1964 Oldsmobile F85 Engine Swap Monte Carlo Ss Steering Box
    While the engine swap was in progress, Moore found an '88 Monte SS steering box in the bon
  • Project 1964 Oldsmobile F85 Engine Swap Wilwood Brakes
    Back in the May '10 issue we did a story ("A Quick and Easy Wilwood Caliper Bolt-On") on installing Wilwood's twin-piston calipers. Using a cheap cast-iron 15/16-inch bore master cylinder, we now have excellent binders.
    Project 1964 Oldsmobile F85 Engine Swap Wilwood Brakes
    Back in the May '10 issue we did a story ("A Quick and Easy Wilwood Caliper Bolt-On") on i
  • Project 1964 Oldsmobile F85 Engine Swap 455 Engine Bay
    This is the completed 455 finally stuffed back in the engine compartment.
  • Project 1964 Oldsmobile F85 Engine Swap Upper Radiator Mount
    We also had to modify that upper radiator mount we found at the junkyard to properly position the new Mark 7 radiator. We trimmed the mount with a cutoff wheel and then welded it back together with our handy Craftsman MIG welder.
    Project 1964 Oldsmobile F85 Engine Swap Upper Radiator Mount
    We also had to modify that upper radiator mount we found at the junkyard to properly posit
  • Project 1964 Oldsmobile F85 Engine Swap Hyperkuhl
    We had no end of difficulties with cooling system electrolysis in our Orange Peel Chevelle, so we intend to lavish extra attention on our new Mark 7 aluminum radiator with a load of filtered (not distilled) water protected by a bottle of HyperKuhl. This additive not only offers outstanding corrosion protection but also employs wetting agents that improve cooling efficiency.
    Project 1964 Oldsmobile F85 Engine Swap Hyperkuhl
    We had no end of difficulties with cooling system electrolysis in our Orange Peel Chevelle
Project 1964 Oldsmobile F85 Engine Swap Night Shot
Deadlines ambushed us again and we didn't get a chance to hit the dragstrip since we only got the engine running the night before we put this issue to bed. The new Olds motor feels strong and the Quarter, Jr. dragstrip simulator estimates our heavyweight should run somewhere in the high 12s at 109 mph. Not bad for a 47-year-old cruiser.
Project 1964 Oldsmobile F85 Engine Swap Night Shot
Deadlines ambushed us again and we didn't get a chance to hit the dragstrip since we only

On The Road
With the engine nestled in place, the front sheetmetal details took a little time to align. During our junkyard tours, Moore discovered an excellent '88 Monte SS steering box that was a perfect fit for the Olds to upgrade that one-finger '60s power steering. We bolted in a new rag joint from Rock Auto to complete the deal and also upgraded to a 11/4-inch front sway bar that had spent a previous life on a second-generation Firebird. Complementing this steering and suspension upgrade are the Wilwood D52 twin-piston calipers we had previously installed. Combined with a 15/16-inch iron master cylinder and an adjustable proportioning valve, we now have excellent brakes to whoa the lumbering Olds.

With the goodies all bolted in place, the best part of the whole story was warming the big 455 and then hitting the boulevard. If you've ever built and then fired up a brand-new engine, then you know that cooking paint/smoking oil smell as all those new parts get acquainted. They say aromas are some of the most potent memory triggers, and every time that smell hits us, it's always a fun time.

"Well, whose junk pile piece of Chhhh-evelle is this? Did you boys come here to race-or just kiss?" -Kathy Mattea's song 455 Rocket

PARTS LIST
DESCRIPTION PN SOURCE PRICE
Mark 7 aluminum radiator custom-built Mark 7 Radiators $650.00
Dick Miller headers, 17/8 inches DMR-6822RP Dick Miller Racing 692.94
DMR small starter DMR-510 Dick Miller Racing 217.94
Spal twin 11-inch fans 30102052 A1 Electric 259.95
Wilwood D52CB calipers 120-10937-RD Summit Racing 164.99
Wilwood disc brake pads 150-8939K Summit Racing 52.94
Rust-Oleum dark-gray primer 2089830 Home Depot 3.44 (4)
Rust-Oleum semigloss black 7798830 Home Depot 4.98 (4)
Ames Performance radiator cushions P120A Ames Perf Eng. 19.00
HyperKuhl coolant additive see website Applied Chemical 12.95
Monte Carlo steering box N/A Junkyard 35.00
Sway bar, 1 1/4 inches N/A Junkyard 15.00

SOURCES
Glasstek
Naperville
IL
630-978-9897
www.glasstek.com
Dick Miller Racing
Hernando
MS
662-233-2301
www.dickmillerracing.com
Rust-Oleum
11 Hawthorn Parkway
Vernon Hills
IL  60061
847-367-7700
www.rustoleum.com
Mark 7 Radiators
Bay City
MI
989-922-7335
www.mark7radiators.com
SPAL USA
1731 SE Oralabor Road
Ankeyny
IA
800-345-0327
www.spalusa.com
Ames Performance Engineering
Bonney Road
Malborough
NH  03455
603-876-3345
Painless Performance
2501 Ludelle Street
Fort Worth
TX  76105
817-244-6212
www.painlessperformance.com
Applied Chemical Specialties
Omaha
NE
847-477-9262
www.Norosion.com
Wilwood Brakes
4700 Calle Bolero
Camarillo
CA  93012
805-388-1188
www.wilwood.com
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